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Old 04-05-2014, 14:45 PM   #1
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Aici am sa va intreb care unde vine, cu ce umplu gaurile/locurile ramase dupa ce am pus piesele de la puzzle.
1.In teava cu cot incercuita ce vine montat?(poza 1)
2. Din baia de ulei iese un stut de teava -banuiesc ca e epuratorul.Unde se infinge capatul de sus?(poza 2)
3.Ce vine aici ?Are legatura cu tija de acceleratie (poza 3)

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Old 04-05-2014, 15:11 PM   #2
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Daca nu gresesc, pentru primele doua poze:... acolo vine montat un furtun, care vine de la baie pana acolo sus!
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Old 04-05-2014, 15:25 PM   #3
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3.Ce vine aici ? Are legatura cu tija de acceleratie (poza 3)
Îți pot răspunde doar la aceasta: acolo vine piesa care transformă printr-o rotație, mișcarea rectiliniară sus-jos a tijei de la pedală, într-una rectiliniară stânga-dreapta. Sau, a 2-a posibilitate: prin aceeași rotație, dar cu ajutorul unei tije (care ea însăși se rotește) se transmite mișcarea pedalei mai în față, către pompa de injecție sau către ansamblul de tije care se află pe blocul motor și care au sarcina de a ridica turația motorului conform comenzii primite de la pedală.
Exemplific cu 3 poze: primele 2 de la Lord (pt. prima ipoteză), iar a 3-a de la Lady, care se referă la a 2-a ipoteză (punând deoparte faptul că amândouă sunt făcute artizanal, iar la Lord nici nu mai există, a fost eliminată, tija de la pedală acționând acum direct asupra pompei).
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Old 04-05-2014, 15:34 PM   #4
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Am revenit cu doua poze...findca 'o poza face mai mult decat o mie de cuvinte'...

O poza cu motorul meu...se poate observa ca acel furtun pleaca in jos...

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Inca o poza gasita pe net...unde se poate observa furtunul care lipseste la tine...

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Numai bine!
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Old 04-05-2014, 15:54 PM   #5
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Intr-un final am reusit sa gasesc si o schita cu traseul furtunului...

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P.S. Si la motorul meu vechi lipsea acel furtun OEM si fostii 'meseriasii' au inlocuit-o cu un alt furtun de cauciuc pe care au fixat-o cu doua coliere...era perfect finctional!

Asta e o solutie provizorie, pana iti gasesti eventual iti comanzi una dupa cod!




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Old 04-05-2014, 18:30 PM   #6
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Multumesc ptr raspunsurile voastre prompte.

Am gasit pe un motor de w126 furtunul ala care iesea din stut, dar era taiat cam la nivelul chiulasei.Daca nu gasesc original, am sa-l continui cu un furtun normal in coliere.Nu cred sa fie mare presiune acolo- doar gaze de carter?
Un cod OEM ar fi :566? sau 568?

Am tija de la acceleratie care se va "propti" in gaura aia.Mai trebuie sa gasesc bila de teflon.

Multumesc inca odata.
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Old 04-05-2014, 18:44 PM   #7
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Uitandu-ma acum la poze, realizez ca POATE furtunul de apa de la calorifer care iese din masina NU trebuie infipt acolo in chiulasa - poate inund cilindrul respectiv.
Voi cum aveti traseul?
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Un cod OEM ar fi :566? sau 568

In program asta da...

566 A 110 180 00 22 OIL LINE (OIL RETURN LINE)
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Old 04-05-2014, 19:46 PM   #9
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Uitandu-ma acum la poze, realizez ca POATE furtunul de apa de la calorifer care iese din masina NU trebuie infipt acolo in chiulasa - poate inund cilindrul respectiv.
Voi cum aveti traseul?

Aici este o poza unde se poate observa stutul de care vine legat furtunul...se poate observa picurul de antiger...

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Daca te uiti atent la prima poza cu motorul meu, se poate observa furtunul taiat, care iese de sub admisie, pe care stiu ca se leaga la sistemul de racire a motorului...asa ca l-ai montat bine!


P.S. Alta poza nu am, eventual daca ma mag sub masina si fac alta...!
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Old 04-07-2014, 08:19 AM   #10
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Am inteles acum.
Multumesc ptr poze = elocvente.
Dupa ce montez galeria de admisie mai vad daca mai sunt alte probleme.
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Old 04-07-2014, 14:22 PM   #11
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Am si eu o intrebare daca tot se dicuta de diverse gauri
Poza 1+2: ce vine aici? E ultima gaura dupa galeria de admisie
Poza 3: in stanga sunt furtunele care vin in radiatorul de ulei.am si teava care urca in sus. Dar cele din dreapta unde se leaga? Vin de la cutie si presupun ca sunt tot de ulei.
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Poza 1,2 - cred ca-ti lipseste stutul in care se infinge teava de la gazele de carter din baie
Poza 3 - Se leaga in partea de jos a radiatorului de apa ; are 2 filete ptr furtunele alea- cred ca se raceste uleiul de la cutie
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Am si eu o intrebare daca tot se dicuta de diverse gauri
Poza 1+2: ce vine aici? E ultima gaura dupa galeria de admisie
Poza 3: in stanga sunt furtunele care vin in radiatorul de ulei.am si teava care urca in sus. Dar cele din dreapta unde se leaga? Vin de la cutie si presupun ca sunt tot de ulei.

Daca vad bine este vorba exact despre ce am discutat mai sus! Adica unul este pentru ulei retur (motor) si celalalt este stutul pe care vine legat furtunul de cauciuc care intra in habitaclu!


In a treia poza...furtunele care sunt legate intre ele cu o piesa cauciucata (daca retin bine aminte)....acel furtun se leaga la un mini radiator care sta vertical langa radiatorul mare, prin care circula uleiul de la motor, mai exact raceste uleiul din motor si nici decum de la cutie!!!!

Nu toate M110 au avut aceasta dotare...daca o pot numi asa....mai exact aceste radiatore au fost montate pe masinile care au fost destinate tarilor mai calduroase...gen Arabia Saudita!
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Andrei are ca la mine -si radiatorul vertical de ulei si conductele de la cutie.
Ieri am vopsit radiatorul mare,de apa si am vazut gaurile din partea de jos a radiatorului care are exact filetele ce se pupa cu furtunele de la cutie.
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Andrei are ca la mine -si radiatorul vertical de ulei si conductele de la cutie.
Ieri am vopsit radiatorul mare,de apa si am vazut gaurile din partea de jos a radiatorului care are exact filetele ce se pupa cu furtunele de la cutie.

Corect...la baza radiatorului mare vin legate cele doua conducte care vin de la cutia automata. Insa celalalte doua vin legate la radiatorul vertical prin care circul uleiul din motor!
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Poza 3: in stanga sunt furtunele care vin in radiatorul de ulei.am si teava care urca in sus
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Ceva de genul ar trebui sa arate?
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Exact asa .Zilele astea montez si eu radiatoarele.Sper...
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Deci daca am inteles bine, furtunele de pe partea stanga vin de la filtrul de ulei la radiatorul de ulei, iar cele de pe partea dreapta merg de la cutia de viteze la radiator, legate la circuitul de apa.
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Si mai am o intrebare. Tevile astaea unde vin?
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